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Most of you know me by now: if something doesn't fit, or if it's a bit of a mystery that needs closer examination, I'm there with magnifying glass in hand. I just can't help myself. I could use a bit of assistance on this one though - it's a relatively straightforward request for information, so maybe it won't run into the wall of silence my last, more conjectural post did.

As I said, I was at a reenactment event last weekend, so I had no idea that Josh had finally 'outed' herself until I read a few different things - including her blog post, timestamped 2015-09-18T11:33:00-07:00 and headed "Coming OUT with a New Book!". This would most probably mean it was posted in Pacific Daylight Time which fits with a California location. For those without World Clock to hand it's the same time as 7:33 PM in London on the same day (the 18th of September).

The first blogger commenting on this that I'm aware of was Nathan Burgoine on September 19th (2015-09-19T11:40:50+00:00), presumably therefore after Josh's post. The other two were posted on the 20th, after Nathan. Taking these timings into account, surely no-one thinks that the following remarks in Josh's original post are other than predictions of anticipated, future reactions - things that hadn't happened yet, might not happen, possibly (by now) didn't happen:
"all the dramatic, finger-pointing posts**"
" I can guess at the venom and vitriol"
" I was prepared for the hue and cry***. I won't deny that I hoped for a little more civility and sanity in certain quarters, but overall I've met with humbling support and kindness"
"A number of people have mentioned feeling hurt because I didn't share the truth--or foolish because they didn't guess it"
"I expected the bullshit. What I did not expect, what overwhelms me now is the kindness and support I've received over the last few hours"

The problem is, except for things I can't know about, like emails, I can't find anything on the internet that would actually count as a revelation or reaction before the time of Josh's post. Even after the event I saw nothing that a reasonable person would consider either venomous or vitriolic - everything seemed far from it! FFA got a bit exercised on principle (but Josh is unlikely to have gone there), while Ann Somerville has always argued that Josh is a woman and in any case pretty much just linked to Nathan and the other bloggers - again, after their posts. I started out trying to find something on Facebook, but after 10 minutes of trawling through gushingly supportive posts on Josh's wall I gave up, and Twitter seemed remarkably calm (although I may have missed a crucial 5 minutes somewhere there).

Does anyone know whether there have in fact been vile hordes chasing after Josh with pitchforks, or is this just self-protective hyperbole? Can anyone substantiate these statements of hers with links?


ETA2: Apparently the discussion is turning into a mix of comments about the previous post and this one, so I'm just noting that that's okay, and carry on!!!

ETA3: Apparently there is a link between Lanyon and Killian in (2005) - no copy so can't check (and it's a bloody expensive tome too), but it does suggest where the original rumours came from.

* maybe just a touch of sarcasm there.
** ...posts. Presumably public, unlike emails.

Date: 2015-09-29 06:10 am (UTC)
istia: men's hands with silver rings atop each other on blue globe against starry bg (Default)
From: [personal profile] istia
I can't help at all with timestamping or pointing to any posts. I haven't been looking into it since I lack interest either way. I've never read any of her books, mystery not being an interest of mine, so my only very mild intereaction with her was in Pros, which, of course, she flounced from ages ago.

I do think it's a major issue, however, when someone poses as male and shits on women writers in the same genre, then comes out as female and attempts to do the same to male writers, which seems to be what she's doing righ tnow.

As always, my main source is FFA, so you've probably seen this reaction: a blog post by someone I've never heard of with links to an image showing Josh Lanyon's profile page at GoodReads saying the author's male, as well as a couple of instances when she, as Josh, said women writing m/m aren't as good at it as men. But now, apparently, she's spinning that on its head and is claiming m/m is a predominantly female genre and only women do it right. Which, as the blogger points out, makes little sense, then, for her having assumed an overt male identity for her marketing of her writing.

That post is dated the 20th, though it says "Update" at the top, so I don't know if that indicates a previous post or is usual language for blog posting.

Curious and OTT approach if she's actively trying to paint herself as a victim, thereby casting anybody who reacts negatively to her very long masquerade as a bully.


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